Have Your Cake AND Eat It Too (1)

Cybernethics / Cybernéthique

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  • Liberty, Ethics and Information / Liberté, Éthique et Information
  • An idiom that has its cake and eats it
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  • Rule 1: Post Quality Standards
  • Rule 2: Critique Prohibition

    • Oh well, you can't have your shitty idioms and have them make sense too. A bullet is a projectile expelled from the barrel of a firearm. You can't have a bullet because if it isn't expelled isn't a bullet. Well, it is, but it's inside the cartridge most of the time.

    Liberty, Ethics and Information / Liberté, Éthique et Information

    You can't have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech. The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously. This phrase is easier to understand if it is read as "You can't eat your cake, and have it too". Obviously once you've eaten your cake, you won't have it any more.

    You can have a cartridge instead. It's an outdated saying that is meant to be understood as "You can't eat your cake and have it, too.

    An idiom that has its cake and eats it

    Girl loves Guy A and Guy B. She has to choose one and lose the other in the process. Just like by eating the cake, you lose the ability to have some later. You cannot both kill off or do away with a character as a plot point and go through the whole motions of mourning them, and then bring them back to life to continue as normal. You can do one or the other but it's really shoddy and cheap if you do both. The phrase originated from window shopping culture in the boomer's youth.

    Back in the mid s It was customary to keep a cake or some nice food in the kitchen so when you had guests you could serve it to them.

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    Having a cake ready meant you were a nice family with nice things and it meant your children were disciplined. It was akin to owning a nice car. Kind of like a status symbol. The Italian version of this idiom goes like "you can't have a full barrel and a drunk wife" You can have one or the other but not both together. I always thought this and to say it - "you can't eat your cake and have it too" imo makes much more sense. Quirk of English "and" allowing for both the meaning of simultaneously and sequentially. The idiom is meant to be taken with the simultaneous sense, but as has been suggested, reordering makes this clearer.

    The phrase itself is fine. How people abuse the phrase to be absolutely insufferable is the part that is not fine. It's an old phrase, and if you invert it then it makes a bit more sense. You can't literally have your cake and then also eat it because then you will no longer have the cake since it'll be gone from the consumption. So you have to choose: You can't have your cake anymore after you eat it but you still want to have the cake and eat it too. It can be simplified as "You can't have it both ways", i.

    The idiom was originally, "You can't eat your cake and have it too. It's like saying you can't go swimming and stay dry. It's used to say that two opposing things can't both happen.

    That's because people say it backwards. It's supposed to be "you can't eat your cake and have it too" -once you have eaten it you don't have it any more. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Log in or sign up in seconds. Upcoming AMA posts Before posting, check out: Posting Guidelines Rule 1: Critique Prohibition 2 All requests for feedback, critique partners, beta readers, or any associated elements of work critique must be put in the Weekly Critique Thread stickied to the front page. Sharing Violation 3 Posts focused only on self-acknowledgement or life events are not allowed in individual threads.

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    Want to add to the discussion? You have not yet eaten it, so you have it. You eat the cake. It is now gone. You no longer have it. You poop the cake out. It is no longer delicious. You do not want it in this form.

    Rule 1: Post Quality Standards

    You do not want it in this form. People in their 20s and 30s are more likely to experience the kind of "crisis" associated with middle age. You may be wrong, and realize after the fact that you have lost as compared to what you could have achieved otherwise; or you may be right, and realize what you have gained as compared to what you were going to do instead. While the phrase is not explicit about the first part preceding the second, it's one of the valid interpretations, so it sounds off if you claim "you can't do X" while you sort of can. Idiom Scenario 2 Your browser does not support the audio element. Were you talking to me or Martha? This section needs additional citations for verification.

    Though, it probably doesn't look like a cake anymore Technically, there is a small minority of people out there who find it delicious. Okay, it makes more sense, thought I still don't like it. Who doesn't like cake? So a family could not have their cake for guests and eat it too. Maybe I'm sated right now, and I can't eat it; but trust me, I will, as soon as I have space in my stomach. Maybe I want to eat it later with someone I love, to create a magic moment after dinner. But in the meantime, if anything, the having of it is a liability, not an asset: No really, who wants to have a cake?

    Even the baker is all too eager to find someone to sell it to, who will want it for the eating.

    If you offer it to a friend, you won't expect your friend to frame it, but to eat it indeed. Finally, I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, the best way to have another slice of cake was to promptly finish the current one; there was no extra cake as long as my plate wasn't emptied, and if I took too long to finish it, there might be no cake left for an extra slice as others would have eaten it all.

    You Can't Have Your Cake and Eat It Too

    But maybe after all these are also important points to be made about Opportunity cost, and the saying can remind us of these points as well as of the main concept. What economists call economic cost, or opportunity cost, is what you have to forsake when you make a choice; and they call benefit what you gain from an opportunity that you wouldn't have gotten from other opportunities to use the same resources.

    For whichever way you look at things and ultimately, which way you do look at things is indeed your own choice and responsibility, with its own costs and benefits , the available opportunities are never equal to each other otherwise, there's only one opportunity and no real choice. Some opportunities are obviously better eating the cake, sooner than later , as compared to other opportunities that are obviously worse hoarding onto the cake until after it's bad.

    Of course, "better" or "worse" only makes sense as part of such a comparison between opportunities; and it is always relative to the interests, goals and values of whichever individual is making the choice; and it is always done according to his limited knowledge of a specific context. Don't eat the poisoned cake When you are offered a new opportunity, it only matters if this opportunity is better than the one you would otherwise have gone for, at which point its benefit is the increase in enjoyment from the new opportunity: Well, sure, that way we can each enjoy a cake we like better.

    Or "No, thanks" — maybe you'd prefer my cake to yours, but so do I, and so this opportunity is of no benefit to me.

    Rule 2: Critique Prohibition

    Similarly, when denied an existing opportunity, it only matters if this was the previous best opportunity, at which point the cost of this denial is to have to cope with the next best alternative. Of course, it might not always be clear which opportunity is best.

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    You're offered to choose one of many desserts. Some of these opportunities may be pretty safe bets, while some are definitely riskier ones, but with a higher payoff introducing you to new ingredients that you'll love in the future. You may be wrong, and realize after the fact that you have lost as compared to what you could have achieved otherwise; or you may be right, and realize what you have gained as compared to what you were going to do instead. Or you may never know, for you will only get one dessert and won't be invited to that restaurant again.

    Maybe by tasting a bit of each other's desserts, you and a friend can get a better idea of how well you chose; indeed maybe you both enjoy variety in tastes and should split desserts half-and-half.